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FONTOS: Adminok aktivitásának felülvizsgálata
szerkesztésSzia. A globális közösségi konszenzus egy új irányelvet fogadott el a "magasabb jogok" (mint például az adminisztrátor és a bürokrata) törlését illetőleg (erről a közösséget értesítettük). Ezen irányelv értelmében a helytartók felülvizsgálják az adminisztrátorok aktivitását a kisebb wikiken. Legjobb tudásunk szerint az általad használt wikin nincs hivatalos módja annak, hogy az inaktív felhasználók "magasabb jogait" eltávolítsuk. Ez azt jelenti, hogy ezen a wikin a helytartók fognak intézkedni az adminok aktivitásainak felülvizsgálata alapján.
Megállapítottuk, hogy a következő felhasználók felelnek meg az inaktivitási kritériumnak (nem szerkesztett és nem lépett be az elmúlt két évben):
- Grin (bürokrata, adminisztrátor)
- NCurse (adminisztrátor)
Ezek a felhasználók hamarosan egy értesítést fognak kapni, amiben arra kérjük őket, hogy indítsanak egy közösségi megbeszélést, ha vissza kívánják kapni néhány vagy az összes jogukat. Amennyiben nem kapunk választ, a felhasználó magasabb jogait a helytartók elveszik.
Azonban, ha ti, a közösség, szeretnétek saját aktivitás-felülvizsgálati eljárást indítani, szeretnétek más döntést hozni az inaktív jogtulajdonosokról, vagy már van egy ezzel a kérdéssel foglalkozó irányelvetek, kérlek értesítsétek a Meta-Wiki helytartóit, hogy értesüljünk arról, hogy a ti wikiteken nem kell ellenőriznünk a jogok tulajdonosait. Köszönettel, QuiteUnusual (vita) 2013. december 11., 13:31 (CET)
- Csodás... --grin (vita) 2013. december 11., 14:56 (CET)
támogatás
szerkesztésTámogatom hogy user:grin adminisztrátor maradjon. - I support to keep user:grin administrative rights.
- OsvátA Palackposta 2013. december 11., 15:15 (CET)
- --Hkoala (vita) 2013. december 13., 09:14 (CET)
- --Szilas (vita) 2013. december 13., 09:38 (CET)
- --Padrag (vita) Padrag 2013. december 13., 09:51 (CET)
- Karmelaüzenőlap 2013. december 13., 10:16 (CET)
- --Vadaro (vita) 2013. december 13., 19:09 (CET)
- Módis Ágnes Vadszederke (vita) 2014. január 14., 19:00 (CET) (Elmegyek, ha nem jössz vissza.)
- --Igen. (Persze csak ha jogosult vagyok szavazni). Akela (vita) 2014. január 14., 20:39 (CET) (Itt nem műk. a {{tám}} sablon.)
A kapcsolódó vita a meta.wikimedia.org-on: Stewards' noticeboard. Az eredmény: grin marad.
Szerkesztői azonosító módosítására vonatkozó kérések
szerkesztésSziasztok!
Amennyiben szeretnétek megváltoztatni a szerkesztői azonosítótokat, akkor erre már nincsen lehetőség a Wikidézetben. Ilyen igényeket jelenleg a Metán lehet jelezni a következő oldalon: meta:SRUC. A későbbiekben (amint elkészül) lesz erre egy központosított és lefordított speciális oldal. Ezt az üzenetet, kérlek, tüntessétek fel ott is, ahova az átnevezési kérelmeket általában irányítani szoktátok. Köszi! Samat (vita) 2014. október 27., 22:51 (CET)
- Üzenetet vettem. Kösz! OsvátA Palackposta 2014. október 28., 08:09 (CET)
- Mert ilyen kedvesen visszajeleztél, titokban elárulom, hogy a huwikin továbbra is van lehetőség átnevezésre hazai környezetben, és az átnevezés globális (azaz minden Wikimédia-wikire érvényes) ;) Samat (vita) 2014. október 28., 08:20 (CET)
10 évesek lettünk!
szerkesztésA Kezdőlap laptörténete szerint 10 évvel ezelőtt, 2004. október 5-én indult útjára a Wikidézet.
A jubileum alkalmából mindenkinek, eddigi és jövőbeli szerkesztőnek további erőt és jó kedvet hozzá!
--Vadaro (vita) 2014. október 28., 21:24 (CET)
Gratulálok minden közreműködőnek! Samat (vita) 2014. október 28., 21:57 (CET)
Global AbuseFilter
szerkesztésAbuseFilter is a MediaWiki extension used to detect likely abusive behavior patterns, like pattern vandalism and spam. In 2013, Global AbuseFilters were enabled on a limited set of wikis including Meta-Wiki, MediaWiki.org, Wikispecies and (in early 2014) all the "small wikis". Recently, global abuse filters were enabled on "medium sized wikis" as well. These filters are currently managed by stewards on Meta-Wiki and have shown to be very effective in preventing mass spam attacks across Wikimedia projects. However, there is currently no policy on how the global AbuseFilters will be managed although there are proposals. There is an ongoing request for comment on policy governing the use of the global AbuseFilters. In the meantime, specific wikis can opt out of using the global AbuseFilter. These wikis can simply add a request to this list on Meta-Wiki. More details can be found on this page at Meta-Wiki. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on m:Talk:Global AbuseFilter.
Thanks,
PiRSquared17, Glaisher— 2014. november 14., 18:36 (CET)
VisualEditor coming to this wiki as a Beta Feature
szerkesztésHello. Please excuse the English. I would be grateful if you translated this message!
VisualEditor, a rich-text editor for MediaWiki, will soon be available on this wiki as a Beta Feature. The estimated date of activation is Wednesday, 26 November.
To access it, you will need to visit the Béta funkciók page after the deployment and tick the box next to "⧼Visualeditor-preference-core-label⧽". (If you have enabled the "Automatikusan kapcsoljon be a legtöbb új béta funkció" option, VisualEditor will be automatically available for you.) There will also be a "⧼Visualeditor-preference-language-label⧽" that you can enable if you need it.
Then, you just have to click on "Szerkesztés" to start VisualEditor, or on "Forrásszöveg szerkesztése" to edit using wikitext markup. You can even begin to edit pages with VisualEditor and then switch to the wikitext editor simply by clicking on its tab at any point, and you can keep your changes when doing so.
A guide was just published at mediawiki.org so that you can learn how to support your community with this transition: please read and translate it if you can! You will find all the information about the next steps there. Please report any suggestions or issues at the main feedback page. You will also receive the next issues of the multilingual monthly newsletter here on this page: if you want it delivered elsewhere, for example at your personal talk page, please add the relevant page here.
Thanks for your attention and happy editing, Elitre (WMF) 2014. november 21., 19:12 (CET)VisualEditor coming to this wiki as a Beta Feature (errata)
szerkesztésPlease notice the correct direct link to access Béta funkciók is this one. Thanks for your understanding! Elitre (WMF) 2014. november 21., 19:35 (CET)
VisualEditor News #10—2014
szerkesztésTudtad-e?
A legutóbbi hírlevél óta a Szerkesztői csapat kijavított számos hibát és dolgozott az asztali szerkesztésen és annak megjelenésén. Az ő heti állapotjelentéseik a mediawiki.orgon jelennek meg. A következő tervek a VisualEditor roadmap oldalon tűnnek fel.
A VisualEditort a többi száz wikin is beindítottuk, mint béta verziót november végén, kivétel ez alól a Wiktionary (amely jórészt sablonokon alapul)és az összes Wikiforrásban, amely még a ProofreadPage oldallal vár összekapcsolásra.
Legújabb fejlesztések
szerkesztésBasic support for editing tables is now available. You can add and delete tables, add and remove rows and columns, set or remove a caption for a table, and merge cells together. To change the contents of a cell, double-click inside it. More features will be added in the coming months. In addition, VisualEditor now ignores broken, invalid rowspan
and colspan
elements, instead of trying to repair them.
Most már használható a keress és távolítsd el gomb a VisualEditorban, mely az eszközök menüben érhető el a ^ Ctrl
+F
, vagy a ⌘ Cmd
+F
billentyű kombinációkkal.
Most már egyszerűen létrehozhatsz és szerkeszthetsz <blockquote>
paragrafusokkal és belső tartalmakat. Ez a változtatás az "Bekezdés" beillesztése a "Idézetblokk"ba.
Some new keyboard sequences can be used to format content. At the start of the line, typing "*
" will make the line a bullet list; "1.
" or "#
" will make it a numbered list; "==
" will make it a section heading; ":
" will make it a blockquote. If you didn't mean to use these tools, you can press undo to undo the formatting change.
There are also two other keyboard sequences: "[[
" for opening the link tool, and "{{
" for opening the template tool, to help experienced editors. The existing standard keyboard shortcuts, like ^ Ctrl
+K
to open the link editor, still work.
If you add a category that has been redirected, then VisualEditor now adds its target. Categories without description pages show up as red.
Ismét létrehozhatsz és szerkeszthetsz képgalériákat, csakúgy, mint a wikiszöveg szerkesztésnél.
Előretekintés
szerkesztésThe current VisualEditor design will be replaced with a new theme designed by the User Experience group. The new theme will be visible for desktop systems at mediawiki.org in late December and on other sites in early January. (You can see a developer preview of the old "Apex" theme and the new "MediaWiki" one which will replace it.)
The Editing team plans to add auto-fill features for citations in January.
Tervezett változtatás a médiakeresés párbeszédpanel, amely jóval könnyebbé teszi majd a lehetséges képek kiválasztását.
Dolgozzunk együtt
szerkesztés- Oszd meg ötleteidet és kérdéseidet a mw:VisualEditor/Visszajelzés oldalon.
- Translations of the user guide for most languages are outdated. Only Ukrainian, Portuguese, Spanish, French, and Dutch translations are nearly current. Please help complete the current translations for users who speak your language.
- Talk to the Editing team during the office hours via IRC. The next session is on Wednesday, 7 January 2015 at 22:00 UTC.
- File requests for language-appropriate "Félkövér" and "Dőlt" icons for the character formatting menu in Phabricator.
- A dizájn kutatócsoport szeretné látni, hogy hogyan is dolgoznak a valódi szerkesztők. Kérjük iratkozz fel a sign up for their research program oldalon.
- Ha szeretnél feliratkozni a hírlevél fordítói közé, akkor iratkozz fel a Translators mailing list oldalon, vagy a contact us oldalon, ami után tudunk neked üzeneteket hagyni, hogy mik a következő teendők. Feliratkozhatsz, vagy leiratkozhatsz a Meta oldalon. Köszönjük!
2014. december 26., 19:59 (CET)
FONTOS: Adminok aktivitásának felülvizsgálata 2015
szerkesztésSzia. A globális közösségi konszenzus egy új irányelvet fogadott el a "magasabb jogok" (mint például az adminisztrátor és a bürokrata) törlését illetőleg (erről a közösséget értesítettük). Ezen irányelv értelmében a helytartók felülvizsgálják az adminisztrátorok aktivitását a kisebb wikiken. Legjobb tudásunk szerint az általad használt wikin nincs hivatalos módja annak, hogy az inaktív felhasználók "magasabb jogait" eltávolítsuk. Ez azt jelenti, hogy ezen a wikin a helytartók fognak intézkedni az adminok aktivitásainak felülvizsgálata alapján. Megállapítottuk, hogy a következő felhasználók felelnek meg az inaktivitási kritériumnak (nem szerkesztett és nem lépett be az elmúlt két évben):
- BáthoryPéter (adminisztrátor)
Ezek a felhasználók hamarosan egy értesítést fognak kapni, amiben arra kérjük őket, hogy indítsanak egy közösségi megbeszélést, ha vissza kívánják kapni néhány vagy az összes jogukat. Amennyiben nem kapunk választ, a felhasználó magasabb jogait a helytartók elveszik.
Azonban, ha ti, a közösség, szeretnétek saját aktivitás-felülvizsgálati eljárást indítani, szeretnétek más döntést hozni az inaktív jogtulajdonosokról, vagy már van egy ezzel a kérdéssel foglalkozó irányelvetek, kérlek értesítsétek a Meta-Wiki helytartóit, hogy értesüljünk arról, hogy a ti wikiteken nem kell ellenőriznünk a jogok tulajdonosait. Rschen7754 2015. január 13., 05:23 (CET)
Nos, ha már meglettem szólítva :) Valóban, nem sokat tettem itt az elmúlt pár évben, viszont ha bármi sürgős műszaki gond akad, továbbra is elérhető vagyok, jövök, segítek. Ha van az itteni közösségben olyan, aki ért a műszaki dolgokhoz (JavaScriptes segédeszközök piszkálgatása, stb.), nagyon szívesen átadom neki a lehetőséget. Ha nincs, és szükségetek van egy bármikor ugrasztható műszaki adminra, kérlek jelezzétek alább. --BáthoryPéter (vita) 2015. január 14., 23:16 (CET)
támogatás
szerkesztésTámogatom hogy user:BáthoryPéter adminisztrátor maradjon. - I support to keep user:BáthoryPéter administrative rights.
- --OsvátA Palackposta 2015. január 15., 08:18 (CET)
- --Hkoala (vita) 2015. január 15., 08:25 (CET)
- --Szilas (vita) 2015. január 15., 08:30 (CET)
- --grin (vita) 2015. január 15., 09:56 (CET)
- Karmelaüzenőlap 2015. január 15., 14:34 (CET)
- ----Linkoman (vita) 2015. január 15., 16:33 (CET)
- --Módis Ágnes Vadszederke (vita) 2015. január 15., 20:16 (CET)
- --Vadaro (vita) 2015. január 15., 22:52 (CET)
- Einstein2 itt vitázz... 2015. január 20., 18:22 (CET)
VisualEditor News #1—2015
szerkesztésSince the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and worked on VisualEditor's appearance, the coming Citoid reference service, and support for languages with complex input requirements. Status reports are posted on mediawiki.org. Upcoming plans are posted at the VisualEditor roadmap.
The Wikimedia Foundation has named its top priorities for this quarter (January to March). The first priority is making VisualEditor ready for deployment by default to all new users and logged-out users at the remaining large Wikipedias. You can help identify these requirements. There will be weekly triage meetings which will be open to volunteers beginning Wednesday, 11 February 2015 at 12:00 (noon) PST (20:00 UTC). Tell Vice President of Engineering Damon Sicore, Product Manager James Forrester and other team members which bugs and features are most important to you. The decisions made at these meetings will determine what work is necessary for this quarter's goal of making VisualEditor ready for deployment to new users. The presence of volunteers who enjoy contributing MediaWiki code is particularly appreciated. Information about how to join the meeting will be posted at mw:Talk:VisualEditor/Portal shortly before the meeting begins.
Due to some breaking changes in MobileFrontend and VisualEditor, VisualEditor was not working correctly on the mobile site for a couple of days in early January. The teams apologize for the problem.
Recent improvements
szerkesztésThe new design for VisualEditor aligns with MediaWiki's Front-End Standards as led by the Design team. Several new versions of the OOjs UI library have also been released, and these also affect the appearance of VisualEditor and other MediaWiki software extensions. Most changes were minor, like changing the text size and the amount of white space in some windows. Buttons are consistently color-coded to indicate whether the action:
- starts a new task, like opening the ⧼visualeditor-toolbar-savedialog⧽ dialog: blue ,
- takes a constructive action, like inserting a citation: green ,
- might remove or lose your work, like removing a link: red , or
- is neutral, like opening a link in a new browser window: gray .
The TemplateData editor has been completely re-written to use a different design based on the same OOjs UI system as VisualEditor. (T67815, T73746.) This change fixed a couple of existing bugs and improved usability. (T73077, T73078.)
Search and replace in long documents is now faster. It does not highlight every occurrence if there are more than 100 on-screen at once.(T78234.)
Editors at the Hebrew and Russian Wikipedia requested the ability to use VisualEditor in the "Article Incubator" or drafts namespace. (T86688, T87027.) If your community would like VisualEditor enabled on another namespace on your wiki, then you can file a request in Phabricator. Please include a link to a community discussion about the requested change.
Looking ahead
szerkesztésThe Editing team will soon add auto-fill features for citations. The Citoid service takes a URL or DOI for a reliable source, and returns a pre-filled, pre-formatted bibliographic citation. After creating it, you will be able to change or add information to the citation, in the same way that you edit any other pre-existing citation in VisualEditor. Support for ISBNs, PMIDs, and other identifiers is planned. Later, editors will be able to contribute to the Citoid service's definitions for each website, to improve precision and reduce the need for manual corrections.
We will need editors to help test the new design of the special character inserter, especially if you speak Welsh, Breton, or another language that uses diacritics or special characters extensively. The new version should be available for testing next week. Please contact User:Whatamidoing (WMF) if you would like to be notified when the new version is available. After the special character tool is completed, VisualEditor will be deployed to all users at Phase 5 Wikipedias. This will affect about 50 mid-size and smaller Wikipedias, including Afrikaans, Azerbaijani, Breton, Kyrgyz, Macedonian, Mongolian, Tatar, and Welsh. The date for this change has not been determined.
Let's work together
szerkesztés- Share your ideas and ask questions at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.
- Please help complete translations of the user guide for users who speak your language.
- Join the weekly bug triage meetings beginning Wednesday, 11 February 2015 at 12:00 (noon) PST (20:00 UTC); information about how to join the meeting will be posted at mw:Talk:VisualEditor/Portal shortly before the meeting begins, and you can also contact James F. to learn more about this initiative.
- Talk to the Editing team during the office hours via IRC. The next session is on Thursday, 19 February 2015 at 19:00 UTC.
- Subscribe or unsubscribe at Meta. If you would like to help with translations of this newsletter, please subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Thank you!
2015. február 5., 19:30 (CET)
[Global proposal] m.Wikidézet.org: (mind) Lapok szerkesztése
szerkesztésHi, this message is to let you know that, on domains like hu.m.wikipedia.org, unregistered users cannot edit. At the Wikimedia Forum, where global configuration changes are normally discussed, a few dozens users propose to restore normal editing permissions on all mobile sites. Please read and comment!
Thanks and sorry for writing in English, Nemo 2015. március 1., 23:32 (CET)
Inspire Campaign: Improving diversity, improving content
szerkesztésThis March, we’re organizing an Inspire Campaign to encourage and support new ideas for improving gender diversity on Wikimedia projects. Less than 20% of Wikimedia contributors are women, and many important topics are still missing in our content. We invite all Wikimedians to participate. If you have an idea that could help address this problem, please get involved today! The campaign runs until March 31.
All proposals are welcome - research projects, technical solutions, community organizing and outreach initiatives, or something completely new! Funding is available from the Wikimedia Foundation for projects that need financial support. Constructive, positive feedback on ideas is appreciated, and collaboration is encouraged - your skills and experience may help bring someone else’s project to life. Join us at the Inspire Campaign and help this project better represent the world’s knowledge!
(Sorry for the English - please translate this message!) MediaWiki message delivery (vita) 2015. március 4., 21:01 (CET)
SUL finalization update
szerkesztésHi all,apologies for writing in English, please read this page for important information and an update involving SUL finalization, scheduled to take place in one month. Thanks. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 2015. március 13., 20:45 (CET)
Stewards confirmation rules
szerkesztésHello, I made a proposal on Meta to change the rules for the steward confirmations. Currently consensus to remove is required for a steward to lose his status, however I think it's fairer to the community if every steward needed the consensus to keep. As this is an issue that affects all WMF wikis, I'm sending this notification to let people know & be able to participate. Best regards, --MF-W 2015. április 10., 18:12 (CEST)
VisualEditor News #2—2015
szerkesztés
Did you know?
Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and worked on VisualEditor's performance, the Citoid reference service, and support for languages with complex input requirements. Status reports are posted on Mediawiki.org. The worklist for April through June is available in Phabricator.
The weekly task triage meetings continue to be open to volunteers, each Wednesday at 11:00 (noon) PDT (18:00 UTC). You do not need to attend the meeting to nominate a bug for consideration as a Q4 blocker. Instead, go to Phabricator and "associate" the Editing team's Q4 blocker project with the bug. Learn how to join the meetings and how to nominate bugs at mw:Talk:VisualEditor/Portal.
Recent improvements
szerkesztésVisualEditor is now substantially faster. In many cases, opening the page in VisualEditor is now faster than opening it in the wikitext editor. The new system has improved the code speed by 37% and network speed by almost 40%.
The Editing team is slowly adding auto-fill features for citations. This is currently available only at the French, Italian, and English Wikipedias. The Citoid service takes a URL or DOI for a reliable source, and returns a pre-filled, pre-formatted bibliographic citation. After creating it, you will be able to change or add information to the citation, in the same way that you edit any other pre-existing citation in VisualEditor. Support for ISBNs, PMIDs, and other identifiers is planned. Later, editors will be able to improve precision and reduce the need for manual corrections by contributing to the Citoid service's definitions for each website.
Citoid requires good TemplateData for your citation templates. If you would like to request this feature for your wiki, please post a request in the Citoid project on Phabricator. Include links to the TemplateData for the most important citation templates on your wiki.
The special character inserter has been improved, based upon feedback from active users. After this, VisualEditor was made available to all users of Wikipedias on the Phase 5 list on 30 March. This affected 53 mid-size and smaller Wikipedias, including Afrikaans, Azerbaijani, Breton, Kyrgyz, Macedonian, Mongolian, Tatar, and Welsh.
Work continues to support languages with complex requirements, such as Korean and Japanese. These languages use input method editors ("IMEs”). Recent improvements to cursoring, backspace, and delete behavior will simplify typing in VisualEditor for these users.
The design for the image selection process is now using a "masonry fit" model. Images in the search results are displayed at the same height but at variable widths, similar to bricks of different sizes in a masonry wall, or the "packed" mode in image galleries. This style helps you find the right image by making it easier to see more details in images.
You can now drag and drop categories to re-arrange their order of appearance on the page.
The pop-up window that appears when you click on a reference, image, link, or other element, is called the "context menu". It now displays additional useful information, such as the destination of the link or the image's filename. The team has also added an explicit "Edit" button in the context menu, which helps new editors open the tool to change the item.
Invisible templates are marked by a puzzle piece icon so they can be interacted with. Users also will be able to see and edit HTML anchors now in section headings.
Users of the TemplateData GUI editor can now set a string as an optional text for the 'deprecated' property in addition to boolean value, which lets you tell users of the template what they should do instead. (T90734)
Looking ahead
szerkesztésThe special character inserter in VisualEditor will soon use the same special character list as the wikitext editor. Admins at each wiki will also have the option of creating a custom section for frequently used characters at the top of the list. Instructions for customizing the list will be posted at mediawiki.org.
The team is discussing a test of VisualEditor with new users at the English Wikipedia, to see whether they have met their goals of making VisualEditor suitable for those editors. The timing is unknown, but might be relatively soon. (T90666)
Let's work together
szerkesztés- Share your ideas and ask questions at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.
- Can you translate from English into any other language? Please check this list to see whether more interface translations are needed for your language. Contact us to get an account if you want to help!
- The design research team wants to see how real editors work. Please sign up for their research program.
- File requests for language-appropriate "Félkövér" and "Dőlt" icons for the character formatting menu in Phabricator.
Subscribe, unsubscribe or change the page where this newsletter is delivered at Meta. If you aren't reading this in your favorite language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Thank you!
2015. április 10., 21:48 (CEST)
This is a message from the 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee. Translations are available.
Greetings,
I am pleased to announce that nominations are now being accepted for the 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections. This year the Board and the FDC Staff are looking for a diverse set of candidates from regions and projects that are traditionally under-represented on the board and in the movement as well as candidates with experience in technology, product or finance. To this end they have published letters describing what they think is needed and, recognizing that those who know the community the best are the community themselves, the election committee is accepting nominations for community members you think should run and will reach out to those nominated to provide them with information about the job and the election process.
This year, elections are being held for the following roles:
Board of Trustees
The Board of Trustees is the decision-making body that is ultimately responsible for the long term sustainability of the Foundation, so we value wide input into its selection. There are three positions being filled. More information about this role can be found at the board elections page.
Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC)
The Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) makes recommendations about how to allocate Wikimedia movement funds to eligible entities. There are five positions being filled. More information about this role can be found at the FDC elections page.
Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) Ombud
The FDC Ombud receives complaints and feedback about the FDC process, investigates complaints at the request of the Board of Trustees, and summarizes the investigations and feedback for the Board of Trustees on an annual basis. One position is being filled. More information about this role can be found at the FDC Ombudsperson elections page.
The candidacy submission phase lasts from 00:00 UTC April 20 to 23:59 UTC May 5 for the Board and from 00:00 UTCApril 20 to 23:59 UTC April 30 for the FDC and FDC Ombudsperson. This year, we are accepting both self-nominations and nominations of others. More information on this election and the nomination process can be found on the 2015 Wikimedia elections page on Meta-Wiki.
Please feel free to post a note about the election on your project's village pump. Any questions related to the election can be posted on the talk page on Meta, or sent to the election committee's mailing list, board-elections -at- wikimedia.org
On behalf of the Elections Committee,
-Gregory Varnum (User:Varnent)
Coordinator, 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
Posted by the MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of the 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee, 05:03, 21 April 2015 (UTC) • Translate • Get help
This is a message from the 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee. Translations are available.
Voting has begun for eligible voters in the 2015 elections for the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) and FDC Ombudsperson. Questions and discussion with the candidates for the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) and FDC Ombudsperson will continue during the voting. Nominations for the Board of Trustees will be accepted until 23:59 UTC May 5.
The Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) makes recommendations about how to allocate Wikimedia movement funds to eligible entities. There are five positions on the committee being filled.
The FDC Ombudsperson receives complaints and feedback about the FDC process, investigates complaints at the request of the Board of Trustees, and summarizes the investigations and feedback for the Board of Trustees on an annual basis. One position is being filled.
The voting phase lasts from 00:00 UTC May 3 to 23:59 UTC May 10. Click here to vote. Questions and discussion with the candidates will continue during that time. Click here to ask the FDC candidates a question. Click here to ask the FDC Ombudsperson candidates a question. More information on the candidates and the elections can be found on the 2015 FDC election page, the 2015 FDC Ombudsperson election page, and the 2015 Board election page on Meta-Wiki.
On behalf of the Elections Committee,
-Gregory Varnum (User:Varnent)
Volunteer Coordinator, 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
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This is a message from the 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee. Translations are available.
Voting has begun for eligible voters in the 2015 elections for the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees. Questions and discussion with the candidates for the Board will continue during the voting.
The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees is the ultimate governing authority of the Wikimedia Foundation, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization registered in the United States. The Wikimedia Foundation manages many diverse projects such as Wikipedia and Commons.
The voting phase lasts from 00:00 UTC May 17 to 23:59 UTC May 31. Click here to vote. More information on the candidates and the elections can be found on the 2015 Board election page on Meta-Wiki.
On behalf of the Elections Committee,
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Volunteer Coordinator, 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
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This is a message from the 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee. Translations are available.
Voting has begun for eligible voters in the 2015 elections for the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees. Questions and discussion with the candidates for the Board will continue during the voting.
The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees is the ultimate governing authority of the Wikimedia Foundation, a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization registered in the United States. The Wikimedia Foundation manages many diverse projects such as Wikipedia and Commons.
The voting phase lasts from 00:00 UTC May 17 to 23:59 UTC May 31. Click here to vote. More information on the candidates and the elections can be found on the 2015 Board election page on Meta-Wiki.
On behalf of the Elections Committee,
-Gregory Varnum (User:Varnent)
Volunteer Coordinator, 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
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Pywikibot compat will no longer be supported - Please migrate to pywikibot core
szerkesztésSorry for English, I hope someone translates this.
Pywikibot (then "Pywikipediabot") was started back in 2002. In 2007 a new branch (formerly known as "rewrite", now called "core") was started from scratch using the MediaWiki API. The developers of Pywikibot have decided to stop supporting the compat version of Pywikibot due to bad performance and architectural errors that make it hard to update, compared to core. If you are using pywikibot compat it is likely your code will break due to upcoming MediaWiki API changes (e.g. T101524). It is highly recommended you migrate to the core framework. There is a migration guide, and please contact us if you have any problem.
There is an upcoming MediaWiki API breaking change that compat will not be updated for. If your bot's name is in this list, your bot will most likely break.
Thank you,
The Pywikibot development team, 19:30, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Wikidata: Access to data from arbitrary items is coming
szerkesztés(Sorry for writing in English)
When using data from Wikidata on Wikipedia and other sister projects, there is currently a limitation in place that hinders some use cases: data can only be accessed from the corresponding item. So, for example, the Wikipedia article about Berlin can only get data from the Wikidata item about Berlin but not from the item about Germany. This had technical reasons. We are now removing this limitation. It is already done for a number of projects. Your project is one of the next ones:
- 11 June 2015: all Wikiquote, all remaining Wikivoyage
- 15 June 2015: Wikipedias: ar, ca, es, hu, ko, ro, uk, vi
We invite you to play around with this new feature if you are one of the people who have been waiting for this for a long time. If you have technical issues/questions with this you can come to d:Wikidata:Contact the development team.
How to use it, once it is enabled:
- Parser function: {{#property:P36|from=Q183}} to get the capital from the item about Germany
- Lua: see mw:Extension:Wikibase Client/Lua
I hope it will be helpful for you and allow you to do useful things with the help of Wikidata.
VisualEditor News #3—2015
szerkesztésDid you know?
Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has created new interfaces for the link and citation tools and fixed many bugs and changed some elements of the design. Some of these bugs affected users of VisualEditor on mobile devices. Status reports are posted on mediawiki.org. The worklist for April through June is available in Phabricator.
A test of VisualEditor's effect on new editors at the English Wikipedia has just completed the first phase. During this test, half of newly registered editors had VisualEditor automatically enabled, and half did not. The main goal of the study is to learn which group was more likely to save an edit and to make productive, unreverted edits. Initial results will be posted at Meta later this month.
Recent improvements
szerkesztésAuto-fill features for citations are available at a few Wikipedias through the citoid service. Citoid takes a URL or DOI for a reliable source, and returns a pre-filled, pre-formatted bibliographic citation. If Citoid is enabled on your wiki, then the design of the citation workflow changed during May. All citations are now created inside a single tool. Inside that tool, choose the tab you want (⧼citoid-citeFromIDDialog-mode-auto⧽, ⧼citoid-citeFromIDDialog-mode-manual⧽, or ⧼citoid-citeFromIDDialog-mode-reuse⧽). The cite button is now labeled with the word "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" rather than a book icon, and the autofill citation dialog now has a more meaningful label, "⧼Citoid-citeFromIDDialog-lookup-button⧽", for the submit button.
The link tool has been redesigned based on feedback from Wikipedia editors and user testing. It now has two separate sections: one for links to articles and one for external links. When you select a link, its pop-up context menu shows the name of the linked page, a thumbnail image from the linked page, Wikidata's description, and appropriate icons for disambiguation pages, redirect pages and empty pages (where applicable). Search results have been reduced to the first five pages. Several bugs were fixed, including a dark highlight that appeared over the first match in the link inspector. (T98085)
The special character inserter in VisualEditor now uses the same special character list as the wikitext editor. Admins at each wiki can also create a custom section for frequently used characters at the top of the list. Please read the instructions for customizing the list at mediawiki.org. Also, there is now a tooltip to describing each character in the special character inserter. (T70425)
Several improvements have been made to templates. When you search for a template to insert, the list of results now contains descriptions of the templates. The parameter list inside the template dialog now remains open after inserting a parameter from the list, so that users don’t need to click on "⧼visualeditor-dialog-transclusion-add-param⧽" each time they want to add another parameter. (T95696) The team added a new property for TemplateData, "Példa", for template parameters. This optional, translatable property will show up when there is text describing how to use that parameter. (T53049)
The design of the main toolbar and several other elements have changed slightly, to be consistent with the MediaWiki theme. In the Vector skin, individual items in the menu are separated visually by pale gray bars. Buttons and menus on the toolbar can now contain both an icon and a text label, rather than just one or the other. This new design feature is being used for the cite button on wikis where the Citoid service is enabled.
The team has released a long-desired improvement to the handling of non-existent images. If a non-existent image is linked in an article, then it is now visible in VisualEditor and can be selected, edited, replaced, or removed.
Let's work together
szerkesztés- Share your ideas and ask questions at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.
- The weekly task triage meetings continue to be open to volunteers, usually on Wednesday at 12:00 (noon) PDT (19:00 UTC). Learn how to join the meetings and how to nominate bugs at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. You do not need to attend the meeting to nominate a bug for consideration as a Q4 blocker, though. Instead, go to Phabricator and "associate" the VisualEditor Q4 blocker project with the bug.
- If your Wikivoyage, Wikibooks, Wikiversity, or other community wants to have VisualEditor made available by default to contributors, then please contact James Forrester.
- If you would like to request the Citoid automatic reference feature for your wiki, please post a request in the Citoid project on Phabricator. Include links to the TemplateData for the most important citation templates on your wiki.
- The team is planning the second VisualEditor-related "translathon" for July. Please follow this task on Phabricator for details and updates! Announcements will follow in due course.
Subscribe, unsubscribe or change the page where this newsletter is delivered at Meta. If you aren't reading this in your favorite language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Thank you!
2015. június 13., 12:44 (CEST)
HTTPS
szerkesztésApologies for writing in English.
Hi everyone.
Over the last few years, the Wikimedia Foundation has been working towards enabling HTTPS by default for all users, including unregistered ones, for better privacy and security for both readers and editors. This has taken a long time, as there were different aspects to take into account. Our servers haven't been ready to handle it. The Wikimedia Foundation has had to balance sometimes conflicting goals.
Forced HTTPS has just been implemented on all Wikimedia projects. Some of you might already be aware of this, as a few Wikipedia language versions were converted to HTTPS last week and the then affected communities were notified.
Most of Wikimedia editors shouldn't be affected at all. If you edit as registered user, you've probably already had to log in through HTTPS. We'll keep an eye on this to make sure everything is working as it should. Do get in touch with us if you have any problems after this change or contact me if you have any other questions.
2015. június 20., 00:00 (CEST)
Proposal to create PNG thumbnails of static GIF images
szerkesztésThere is a proposal at the Commons Village Pump requesting feedback about the thumbnails of static GIF images: It states that static GIF files should have their thumbnails created in PNG. The advantages of PNG over GIF would be visible especially with GIF images using an alpha channel. (compare the thumbnails on the side)
This change would affect all wikis, so if you support/oppose or want to give general feedback/concerns, please post them to the proposal page. Thank you. --McZusatz (talk) & MediaWiki message delivery (vita) 2015. július 24., 07:07 (CEST)
What does a Healthy Community look like to you?
szerkesztésHi,
The Community Engagement department at the Wikimedia Foundation has launched a new learning campaign. The WMF wants to record community impressions about what makes a healthy online community.
Share your views and/or create a drawing and take a chance to win a Wikimania 2016 scholarship!
Join the WMF as we begin a conversation about Community Health. Contribute a drawing or answer the questions on the campaign's page.
Why get involved?
szerkesztésThe world is changing. The way we relate to knowledge is transforming. As the next billion people come online, the Wikimedia movement is working to bring more users on the wiki projects. The way we interact and collaborate online are key to building sustainable projects. How accessible are Wikimedia projects to newcomers today? Are we helping each other learn?
Share your views on this matter that affects us all!
We invite everyone to take part in this learning campaign. Wikimedia Foundation will distribute one Wikimania Scholarship 2016 among those participants who are eligible.
More information
szerkesztés- All participants must have a registered user of at least one month antiquity on any Wikimedia project before the starting date of the campaign.
- All eligible contributions must be done until August 23, 2015 at 23:59 UTC
- Wiki link: Community Health learning campaign
- URL https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Evaluation/Community_Health_learning_campaign
- Contact: María Cruz / Twitter: Sablon:@WikiEval #CommunityHealth / email: evalSablon:@wikimediaSablon:Dotorg
Happy editing!
MediaWiki message delivery (vita) 2015. augusztus 1., 01:43 (CEST)
VisualEditor News #4—2015
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Did you know?
Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team have been working on mobile phone support. They have fixed many bugs and improved language support. They post weekly status reports on mediawiki.org. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving language support and functionality on mobile devices.
Wikimania
szerkesztésThe team attended Wikimania 2015 in Mexico City. There they participated in the Hackathon and met with individuals and groups of users. They also made several presentations about VisualEditor and the future of editing.
Following Wikimania, we announced winners for the VisualEditor 2015 Translathon. Our thanks and congratulations to users Halan-tul, Renessaince, जनक राज भट्ट (Janak Bhatta), Vahe Gharakhanyan, Warrakkk, and Eduardogobi.
For interface messages (translated at translatewiki.net), we saw the initiative affecting 42 languages. The average progress in translations across all languages was 56.5% before the translathon, and 78.2% after (+21.7%). In particular, Sakha improved from 12.2% to 94.2%; Brazilian Portuguese went from 50.6% to 100%; Taraškievica went from 44.9% to 85.3%; Doteli went from 1.3% to 41.2%. Also, while 1.7% of the messages were outdated across all languages before the translathon, the percentage dropped to 0.8% afterwards (-0.9%).
For documentation messages (on mediawiki.org), we saw the initiative affecting 24 languages. The average progress in translations across all languages was 26.6% before translathon, and 46.9% after (+20.3%). There were particularly notable achievements for three languages. Armenian improved from 1% to 99%; Swedish, from 21% to 99%, and Brazilian Portuguese, from 34% to 83%. Outdated translations across all languages were reduced from 8.4% before translathon to 4.8% afterwards (-3.6%).
We published some graphs showing the effect of the event on the Translathon page. We thank the translators for participating and the translatewiki.net staff for facilitating this initiative.
Recent improvements
szerkesztésAuto-fill features for citations can be enabled on each Wikipedia. The tool uses the citoid service to convert a URL or DOI into a pre-filled, pre-formatted bibliographic citation. You can see an animated GIF of the quick, simple process at mediawiki.org. So far, about a dozen Wikipedias have enabled the auto-citation tool. To enable it for your wiki, follow the instructions at mediawiki.org.
Your wiki can customize the first section of the special character inserter in VisualEditor. Please follow the instructions at mediawiki.org to put the characters you want at the top. In other changes, if you need to fill in a CAPTCHA and get it wrong, then you can click to get a new one to complete. VisualEditor can now display and edit Vega-based graphs. If you use the Monobook skin, VisualEditor's appearance is now more consistent with other software.
Future changes
szerkesztésThe team will be changing the appearance of selected links inside VisualEditor. The purpose is to make it easy to see whether your cursor is inside or outside the link. When you select a link, the link label (the words shown on the page) will be enclosed in a faint box. If you place your cursor inside the box, then your changes to the link label will be part of the link. If you place your cursor outside the box, then it will not. This will make it easy to know when new characters will be added to the link and when they will not.
On the English Wikipedia, 10% of newly created accounts are now offered both the visual and the wikitext editors. A recent controlled trial showed no significant difference in survival or productivity for new users in the short term. New users with access to VisualEditor were very slightly less likely to produce results that needed reverting. You can learn more about this by watching a video of the July 2015 Wikimedia Research Showcase. The proportion of new accounts with access to both editing environments will be gradually increased over time. Eventually all new users have the choice between the two editing environments.
Let's work together
szerkesztés- Share your ideas and ask questions at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback. This feedback page is now using Flow instead of LiquidThreads.
- Can you read and type in Korean or Japanese? Language engineer David Chan needs people who know which tools people use to type in some languages. If you speak Japanese or Korean, you can help him test support for these languages. Please see the instructions at mediawiki.org if you can help.
- If your wiki would like VisualEditor enabled on another namespace, you can file a request in Phabricator. Please include a link to a community discussion about the requested change.
- Please file requests for language-appropriate "Félkövér" and "Dőlt" icons for the styling menu in Phabricator.
- The design research team wants to see how real editors work. Please sign up for their research program.
- The weekly task triage meetings continue to be open to volunteers, usually on Tuesdays at 12:00 (noon) PDT (19:00 UTC). Learn how to join the meetings and how to nominate bugs at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. You do not need to attend the meeting to nominate a bug for consideration as a Q1 blocker, though. Instead, go to Phabricator and "associate" the main VisualEditor project with the bug.
If you aren't reading this in your favorite language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Thank you!
How can we improve Wikimedia grants to support you better?
szerkesztésMy apologies for posting this message in English. Please help translate it if you can.
Hello,
The Wikimedia Foundation would like your feedback about how we can reimagine Wikimedia Foundation grants, to better support people and ideas in your Wikimedia project. Ways to participate:
- Respond to questions on the discussion page of the idea.
- Join a small group conversation.
- Learn more about this consultation.
Feedback is welcome in any language.
With thanks,
I JethroBT (WMF), Community Resources, Wikimedia Foundation.
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Introducing the Wikimedia public policy site
szerkesztésHi all,
We are excited to introduce a new Wikimedia Public Policy site. The site includes resources and position statements on access, copyright, censorship, intermediary liability, and privacy. The site explains how good public policy supports the Wikimedia projects, editors, and mission.
Visit the public policy portal: https://policy.wikimedia.org/
Please help translate the statements on Meta Wiki. You can read more on the Wikimedia blog.
Thanks,
Yana and Stephen (Talk) 2015. szeptember 2., 20:12 (CEST)
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Open call for Individual Engagement Grants
szerkesztésMy apologies for posting this message in English. Please help translate it if you can.
Greetings! The Individual Engagement Grants program is accepting proposals until September 29th to fund new tools, community-building processes, and other experimental ideas that enhance the work of Wikimedia volunteers. Whether you need a small or large amount of funds (up to $30,000 USD), Individual Engagement Grants can support you and your team’s project development time in addition to project expenses such as materials, travel, and rental space.
- Submit a grant request
- Get help with your proposal in IdeaLab or an upcoming Hangout session
- Learn from examples of completed Individual Engagement Grants
Thanks,
I JethroBT (WMF), Community Resources, Wikimedia Foundation. 2015. szeptember 4., 22:52 (CEST)
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Only one week left for Individual Engagement Grant proposals!
szerkesztés(Apologies for using English below, please help translate if you are able.)
There is still one week left to submit Individual Engagement Grant (IEG) proposals before the September 29th deadline. If you have ideas for new tools, community-building processes, and other experimental projects that enhance the work of Wikimedia volunteers, start your proposal today! Please encourage others who have great ideas to apply as well. Support is available if you want help turning your idea into a grant request.
- Submit a grant request
- Get help with your proposal in IdeaLab
- Learn from examples of completed Individual Engagement Grants
I JethroBT (WMF), Community Resources 2015. szeptember 22., 23:01 (CEST)
Reimagining WMF grants report
szerkesztés(My apologies for using English here, please help translate if you are able.)
Last month, we asked for community feedback on a proposal to change the structure of WMF grant programs. Thanks to the 200+ people who participated! A report on what we learned and changed based on this consultation is now available.
Come read about the findings and next steps as WMF’s Community Resources team begins to implement changes based on your feedback. Your questions and comments are welcome on the outcomes discussion page.
With thanks, I JethroBT (WMF) 2015. szeptember 28., 18:56 (CEST)
VisualEditor News #5—2015
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Did you know?
Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor Team has fixed many bugs, added new features, and made some small design changes. They post weekly status reports on mediawiki.org. Their workboard is available in Phabricator. Their current priorities are improving support for languages like Japanese and Arabic, making it easier to edit on mobile devices, and providing rich-media tools for formulæ, charts, galleries and uploading.
Recent improvements
szerkesztésEducational features: The first time ever you use the visual editor, it now draws your attention to the Hivatkozás and ⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽ tools. When you click on the tools, it explains why you should use them. (T108620) Alongside this, the welcome message for new users has been simplified to make editing more welcoming. (T112354) More in-software educational features are planned.
Links: It is now easier to understand when you are adding text to a link and when you are typing plain text next to it. (T74108, T91285) The editor now fully supports ISBN, PMID or RFC numbers. (T109498, T110347, T63558) These "magic links" use a custom link editing tool.
Uploads: Registered editors can now upload images and other media to Commons while editing. Click the new tab in the "Beszúrás Képek és média" tool. You will be guided through the process without having to leave your edit. At the end, the image will be inserted. This tool is limited to one file at a time, owned by the user, and licensed under Commons's standard license. For more complex situations, the tool links to more advanced upload tools. You can also drag the image into the editor. This will be available in the wikitext editor later.
Mobile: Previously, the visual editor was available on the mobile Wikipedia site only on tablets. Now, editors can use it on all devices regardless of size if they wish. (T85630) Edit conflicts were previously broken on the mobile website. Edit conflicts can now be resolved in both wikitext and visual editors. (T111894) Sometimes templates and similar items could not be deleted on the mobile website. Selecting them caused the on-screen keyboard to hide with some browsers. Now there is a new "Törlés" button, so that these things can be removed if the keyboard hides. (T62110) You can also edit table cells in mobile now.
Rich editing tools: You can now add and edit sheet music in the visual editor. (T112925) There are separate tabs for advanced options, such as MIDI and Ogg audio files. (T114227, T113354) When editing formulæ and other blocks, errors are shown as you edit. It is also possible to edit some types of graphs; adding new ones, and support for new types, will be coming.
On the English Wikipedia, the visual editor is now automatically available to anyone who creates an account. The preference switch was moved to the normal location, under Special:Preferences.
Future changes
szerkesztésYou will soon be able to switch from the wikitext to the visual editor after you start editing. (T49779) Previously, you could only switch from the visual editor to the wikitext editor. Bi-directional switching will make possible a single edit tab. (T102398) This project will combine the "Szerkesztés" and "Forrásszöveg szerkesztése" tabs into a single "Szerkesztés" tab, similar to the system already used on the mobile website. The "Szerkesztés" tab will open whichever editing environment you used last time.
Let's work together
szerkesztés- Share your ideas and ask questions at VisualEditor/Feedback. This feedback page uses Flow for discussions.
- Can you read and type in Korean or Japanese? Language engineer David Chan needs people who know which tools people use to type in some languages. If you speak Japanese or Korean, you can help him test support for these languages. Please see the instructions at What to test if you can help, and report it on Phabricator (Korean - Japanese) or on Wikipedia (Korean - Japanese).
- Local admins can set up the Citoid automatic reference feature for your wiki. If you need help, then please post a request in the Citoid project on Phabricator. Include links to the TemplateData for the most important citation templates on your wiki.
- The weekly task triage meetings are open to volunteers. Learn how to join the meetings and how to nominate bugs at mw:VisualEditor/Weekly triage meetings. You do not need to attend the meeting to nominate a bug for consideration, though. Instead, go to Phabricator and "associate" the main VisualEditor project with the bug.
If you aren't reading this in your favorite language, then please help us with translations! Subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Thank you!
—Elitre (WMF), 2015. október 30., 19:18 (CET)
Vicces, hogy mennyi angol szöveg van itt. Így olyan, mintha élénk élet folyna a kocsmafalon. Most végre én is írtam valamit magyarul a sok angol után, hogy időnként magyar nyelvű szöveg is megtörje ezeket. Ugyan ennek se füle, se farka nem volt, de legalább magyarul volt írva:). Apród (vita) 2015. október 31., 17:10 (CET)
Tényleg vicces. Ideje archiválni... OsvátA Palackposta 2015. október 31., 17:32 (CET)